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		<title>By: ronnielaine</title>
		<link>http://chrisbrewster.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/why-i-have-a-hard-time-listening-to-preachers/#comment-161</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i just want to say i really enjoy seeing you two go back and forth, and thomas&#039; comment was really funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i just want to say i really enjoy seeing you two go back and forth, and thomas&#8217; comment was really funny.</p>
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		<title>By: russellcravens</title>
		<link>http://chrisbrewster.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/why-i-have-a-hard-time-listening-to-preachers/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>russellcravens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, i meant &quot;cover up.&quot; And, I was kidding.

I thought your post was through provoking; hence, my lengthy comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, i meant &#8220;cover up.&#8221; And, I was kidding.</p>
<p>I thought your post was through provoking; hence, my lengthy comment.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisbrewster</title>
		<link>http://chrisbrewster.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/why-i-have-a-hard-time-listening-to-preachers/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisbrewster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I just realized you’re the preacher I hear most and I didn’t put the 2 together. Know that “This is not targeted at any specific church or any specific sermon” is very true. It may have been triggered by the most recent sermon I heard after discussion with other people, but it is not targeted at that. It is targeted at the many sermons I’ve heard over the past 2 years (remember that I’ve been in NY and College Station during the majority of that time). I&#039;ve been to more churches in the past 2 years than I have in my entire life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I just realized you’re the preacher I hear most and I didn’t put the 2 together. Know that “This is not targeted at any specific church or any specific sermon” is very true. It may have been triggered by the most recent sermon I heard after discussion with other people, but it is not targeted at that. It is targeted at the many sermons I’ve heard over the past 2 years (remember that I’ve been in NY and College Station during the majority of that time). I&#8217;ve been to more churches in the past 2 years than I have in my entire life.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisbrewster</title>
		<link>http://chrisbrewster.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/why-i-have-a-hard-time-listening-to-preachers/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisbrewster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell: 
a) Maybe you haven&#039;t realized by now that I tend to write and speak a little exaggerated. Thats not to say I don&#039;t mean what I&#039;m writing, but I probably don&#039;t mean it as intently as someone is reading it. 

b) Did you mean to write (weak cover up)? I think you did because I thought an &quot;over up&quot; was another term for a disclaimer or something. Also, I don&#039;t mean to just point out a typo I just don&#039;t know what an &#039;over up&#039; is if there is one.

c) I may not believe war is wrong. I do believe there are wars which are justified and other that aren&#039;t. The shirt is one of many. There is poverty, thirst, hunger, etc. It is not stating that Jesus is against war (or poverty, or thirst, or hunger) it&#039;s that he is greater than the commotion and unfortunate results of it. I&#039;ll admit, the first time (and only time) I wore it was a spur of the moment thing and was one of my only clean shirts (maybe I should do laundry more often). Since no one said anything to me about it (remember &quot;Brew U&quot; in 9th grade) I assumed it would be fine to wear it again if I was down to a couple of shirts. You may be unaware of this next part which is kind of funny... I chose to wear that shirt on Sunday since I was in a rush to make it there at 7 and it was the first shirt I saw unknowing that was the topic being talked about. Aric told me what was up so I went back home and got the other clean shirt and it was fine.

d) I didn&#039;t mean this to be this long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell:<br />
a) Maybe you haven&#8217;t realized by now that I tend to write and speak a little exaggerated. Thats not to say I don&#8217;t mean what I&#8217;m writing, but I probably don&#8217;t mean it as intently as someone is reading it. </p>
<p>b) Did you mean to write (weak cover up)? I think you did because I thought an &#8220;over up&#8221; was another term for a disclaimer or something. Also, I don&#8217;t mean to just point out a typo I just don&#8217;t know what an &#8216;over up&#8217; is if there is one.</p>
<p>c) I may not believe war is wrong. I do believe there are wars which are justified and other that aren&#8217;t. The shirt is one of many. There is poverty, thirst, hunger, etc. It is not stating that Jesus is against war (or poverty, or thirst, or hunger) it&#8217;s that he is greater than the commotion and unfortunate results of it. I&#8217;ll admit, the first time (and only time) I wore it was a spur of the moment thing and was one of my only clean shirts (maybe I should do laundry more often). Since no one said anything to me about it (remember &#8220;Brew U&#8221; in 9th grade) I assumed it would be fine to wear it again if I was down to a couple of shirts. You may be unaware of this next part which is kind of funny&#8230; I chose to wear that shirt on Sunday since I was in a rush to make it there at 7 and it was the first shirt I saw unknowing that was the topic being talked about. Aric told me what was up so I went back home and got the other clean shirt and it was fine.</p>
<p>d) I didn&#8217;t mean this to be this long.</p>
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		<title>By: russellcravens</title>
		<link>http://chrisbrewster.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/why-i-have-a-hard-time-listening-to-preachers/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>russellcravens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tim is exactly right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tim is exactly right.</p>
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		<title>By: russellcravens</title>
		<link>http://chrisbrewster.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/why-i-have-a-hard-time-listening-to-preachers/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>russellcravens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is not targeted at any specific church or any specific sermon.&quot; 
(weak over up)


I speak on behalf of one preacher-me.  
1. You said, &quot;I feel like they are required to preach whatever the church believes.&quot;  Simply, this is because most preachers work at churches that share the same beliefs about what the Bible teaches.  So, when I preach I preach what I believe the Bible to say which happens to be what the church also believes.
2. The very nature of preaching is proclamation of truth, not suggesting the various viewpoints.  It seems that there is something distinctly different between the role of a pastor/elder/shepherd teaching the Bible and the role of another person who might be teaching about the Bible (i.e. seminary professor, sunday school teacher, small group leader, etc.).  The former has a responsibility and calling to &quot;preach the word&quot; (herald the truth) which lends itself primarily to telling one viewpoint (i.e. the preacher&#039;s understanding of what the word says&quot;).  The latter has more of an option to share various viewpoints and just give you good arguments for each.  If every time a church leader stood up he/she gave option a, option b, option c and just left it up to you, then most people would live in the same way (i can live like option a, option b, option c, because good argument can be made for each).
3.  There are times when preachers preach what the church believes, not what he believes for the following reason - &quot;love for the brother.&quot;  For instance, if a church (senior pastor) believed that drinking a beer was wrong, but someone on that staff did not hold the same conviction the person on staff would be stupid to openly endorse her own belief.  Why? Because there is a greater purpose that would not be served by blasting the church with a dissenting belief, the greater purpose is the work of the gospel.  Or, if a person on staff did not share the same passion for a 200 foot white cross and the person did not feel that offering a dissenting opinion would result in a change of decision about the cross, then the person would be stupid to say what she believes.  Or, what if someone believed the war was wrong, but he was playing guitar in a church comprised largely of the generations which feel proud of our countries willingness to go to war against terroism (pro-war).  He has two options, state his belief (with a t-shirt) which will rarely (if ever) actually change someone&#039;s opinion on the subject of war.  But, what may happen is those that are seeing his viewpoint on a VERY debatable subject might make the issue of war the center of their attention instead of God.  The other option is for him to hold primarily to a deep conviction and passion for the redemptive message of the gospel and secondarily to whether or not he thinks war is justified.  

You see, over the years I have grown to believe so much in the power of the gospel and the centrality of Jesus Christ that my differing beliefs in some of these areas are shared only with my closest friends out of love for those who I co-labor with and a love for the main thing - the gospel.

All that said, maybe you are just hearing crappy preaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is not targeted at any specific church or any specific sermon.&#8221;<br />
(weak over up)</p>
<p>I speak on behalf of one preacher-me.<br />
1. You said, &#8220;I feel like they are required to preach whatever the church believes.&#8221;  Simply, this is because most preachers work at churches that share the same beliefs about what the Bible teaches.  So, when I preach I preach what I believe the Bible to say which happens to be what the church also believes.<br />
2. The very nature of preaching is proclamation of truth, not suggesting the various viewpoints.  It seems that there is something distinctly different between the role of a pastor/elder/shepherd teaching the Bible and the role of another person who might be teaching about the Bible (i.e. seminary professor, sunday school teacher, small group leader, etc.).  The former has a responsibility and calling to &#8220;preach the word&#8221; (herald the truth) which lends itself primarily to telling one viewpoint (i.e. the preacher&#8217;s understanding of what the word says&#8221;).  The latter has more of an option to share various viewpoints and just give you good arguments for each.  If every time a church leader stood up he/she gave option a, option b, option c and just left it up to you, then most people would live in the same way (i can live like option a, option b, option c, because good argument can be made for each).<br />
3.  There are times when preachers preach what the church believes, not what he believes for the following reason &#8211; &#8220;love for the brother.&#8221;  For instance, if a church (senior pastor) believed that drinking a beer was wrong, but someone on that staff did not hold the same conviction the person on staff would be stupid to openly endorse her own belief.  Why? Because there is a greater purpose that would not be served by blasting the church with a dissenting belief, the greater purpose is the work of the gospel.  Or, if a person on staff did not share the same passion for a 200 foot white cross and the person did not feel that offering a dissenting opinion would result in a change of decision about the cross, then the person would be stupid to say what she believes.  Or, what if someone believed the war was wrong, but he was playing guitar in a church comprised largely of the generations which feel proud of our countries willingness to go to war against terroism (pro-war).  He has two options, state his belief (with a t-shirt) which will rarely (if ever) actually change someone&#8217;s opinion on the subject of war.  But, what may happen is those that are seeing his viewpoint on a VERY debatable subject might make the issue of war the center of their attention instead of God.  The other option is for him to hold primarily to a deep conviction and passion for the redemptive message of the gospel and secondarily to whether or not he thinks war is justified.  </p>
<p>You see, over the years I have grown to believe so much in the power of the gospel and the centrality of Jesus Christ that my differing beliefs in some of these areas are shared only with my closest friends out of love for those who I co-labor with and a love for the main thing &#8211; the gospel.</p>
<p>All that said, maybe you are just hearing crappy preaching.</p>
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		<title>By: timtruth</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if the 90% people in the church didnt poop their pants about the Preacher going an extra 20 mintues with the sermon every now and then, they just might try and share both sides IF their is two sides, not opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if the 90% people in the church didnt poop their pants about the Preacher going an extra 20 mintues with the sermon every now and then, they just might try and share both sides IF their is two sides, not opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: jacobeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacobeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i totally agree man.
everyone is responding to something.  whether it&#039;s abortion, homosexuality, the conservative, the liberal, biblical literalism, relativism, etc.  we all feel like our &quot;side&quot; is being left out so we speak out against the absence of our opinion.  i do think that&#039;s important.

but there have been plenty of times when i&#039;ve wanted to just raise my hand and ask &quot;what about the other side?&quot;.  those opposing sides are so necessary, even with the fundamental questions of &quot;who/what is G-d or Jesus?&quot;, &quot;who are we&quot;, &quot;who says scripture is scripture&quot;, and &quot;why aren&#039;t there more ice cream trucks?&quot;.  unfortunately, the Sunday Morning Sermon isn&#039;t a very conducive venue to hear all of those sides.  even if a pastor is presenting her message in a way that intelligently expresses multiple points of view, it&#039;s still her own experiences and understandings with a few very specific ideas.  

i do think every local church has to make an effort to answer key life questions.  but they have to be willing to be a part of the bigger answer that the church universal provides.  to be a part of that bigger answer, we have to be willing to live in the tension between opposing sides; or the &quot;grey&quot; instead of the &quot;black and white&quot;.  we have to be willing to do the hard work of learning all the sides that present themselves.  we have to be willing to be changed; not just by other christians but by developments within science, humanities, and the current state of all creation.  

i don&#039;t think you can do all that in a sermon on sunday morning. 

you&#039;re awesome brewster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree man.<br />
everyone is responding to something.  whether it&#8217;s abortion, homosexuality, the conservative, the liberal, biblical literalism, relativism, etc.  we all feel like our &#8220;side&#8221; is being left out so we speak out against the absence of our opinion.  i do think that&#8217;s important.</p>
<p>but there have been plenty of times when i&#8217;ve wanted to just raise my hand and ask &#8220;what about the other side?&#8221;.  those opposing sides are so necessary, even with the fundamental questions of &#8220;who/what is G-d or Jesus?&#8221;, &#8220;who are we&#8221;, &#8220;who says scripture is scripture&#8221;, and &#8220;why aren&#8217;t there more ice cream trucks?&#8221;.  unfortunately, the Sunday Morning Sermon isn&#8217;t a very conducive venue to hear all of those sides.  even if a pastor is presenting her message in a way that intelligently expresses multiple points of view, it&#8217;s still her own experiences and understandings with a few very specific ideas.  </p>
<p>i do think every local church has to make an effort to answer key life questions.  but they have to be willing to be a part of the bigger answer that the church universal provides.  to be a part of that bigger answer, we have to be willing to live in the tension between opposing sides; or the &#8220;grey&#8221; instead of the &#8220;black and white&#8221;.  we have to be willing to do the hard work of learning all the sides that present themselves.  we have to be willing to be changed; not just by other christians but by developments within science, humanities, and the current state of all creation.  </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t think you can do all that in a sermon on sunday morning. </p>
<p>you&#8217;re awesome brewster.</p>
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		<title>By: thomasgafford</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Person A:  Man this sermon is terrible.
Person B:  Yea I feel like I&#039;m in 7th grade history class.
Person A:  haha, right on.
Preacher:  I need a volunteer, Person A will you come up here?
Person A:  Oh crap, what was he talking about?
Person B:  I don&#039;t know. I was talking to you. (while he is laughing at Person A.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Person A:  Man this sermon is terrible.<br />
Person B:  Yea I feel like I&#8217;m in 7th grade history class.<br />
Person A:  haha, right on.<br />
Preacher:  I need a volunteer, Person A will you come up here?<br />
Person A:  Oh crap, what was he talking about?<br />
Person B:  I don&#8217;t know. I was talking to you. (while he is laughing at Person A.)</p>
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		<title>By: Aric Harding</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.  well, I&#039;ve got to agree with you on some of this.  I think this line of thinking can be played out in a few directions some of them good and others not so good.  
One thing that I agree with is that until you hear all the evidence it&#039;s hard to have a real view or opinion.  That takes getting all the facts that are possible to get.  I won&#039;t negate the fact that there are some facts that you can&#039;t get and it will take faith to complete the peace you have to make with some stuff, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the type of stuff that you are talking about, although you did list abortion and I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any gaps in that evidence.  It&#039;s wrong.
I think that if someone operates in a system for too long without examining that system they can forget why they believe what they believe, it can become a yearly regurgitation of the same facts, like a teacher who got into teaching english for the love of literature and then after a decade of it has lost their love for the beauty of Shakespeare.  Of course someone should only be employed by someone who they feel they have the same passions, beliefs and values in common with.  If not it is just a paycheck.  It may be ok to have differences, because that is the birth of change, but essential core differences are the stuff of hypocrisy.
It still comes down to our gauge as a believer has to be the Word of God or we have to face the question of our faith. If what anyone says comes in contradiction as authoritative with the Bible then that is cause for upheaval.

peace
aric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  well, I&#8217;ve got to agree with you on some of this.  I think this line of thinking can be played out in a few directions some of them good and others not so good.<br />
One thing that I agree with is that until you hear all the evidence it&#8217;s hard to have a real view or opinion.  That takes getting all the facts that are possible to get.  I won&#8217;t negate the fact that there are some facts that you can&#8217;t get and it will take faith to complete the peace you have to make with some stuff, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the type of stuff that you are talking about, although you did list abortion and I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any gaps in that evidence.  It&#8217;s wrong.<br />
I think that if someone operates in a system for too long without examining that system they can forget why they believe what they believe, it can become a yearly regurgitation of the same facts, like a teacher who got into teaching english for the love of literature and then after a decade of it has lost their love for the beauty of Shakespeare.  Of course someone should only be employed by someone who they feel they have the same passions, beliefs and values in common with.  If not it is just a paycheck.  It may be ok to have differences, because that is the birth of change, but essential core differences are the stuff of hypocrisy.<br />
It still comes down to our gauge as a believer has to be the Word of God or we have to face the question of our faith. If what anyone says comes in contradiction as authoritative with the Bible then that is cause for upheaval.</p>
<p>peace<br />
aric</p>
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